A House Divided?

article-2519675-19EA733400000578-867_634x355For the last few years, I’ve spent a great deal of time blogging on the unfolding shambles at Ibrox. I’ve been branded a bigot, I’ve been accused of being obsessed. I’ve had insults thrown at me from every section of the DeadCo support. That doesn’t bother me in the least.

I enjoy debate. I debate everything. One of the most venomous reactions I’ve ever had to an online post was a piece I put on Facebook regarding Jade Goody. You’d think I’d accused her of murder, when all I did was question a recent article that called her a “great British role model.”

A woman who had oral sex on live TV, who spewed out racist remarks and frequently demonstrated such ignorance Boris Johnston could have dedicated a party conference to her? I suggested the answer just might be no, and I thought the response I got for daring to do that was as bad as it could get.

Yet, it took criticising some elements of our own supporters to over-reach. For the first time since I started blogging, and I’m talking about years, I’ve finally had an email threatening me. And it was, of course, from a Celtic supporter. Talk about a turn up for the books.

I wasn’t going to write this article before that email. The press has had a field day since Friday night at Fir Park. The club had reacted. Even Neil Doncaster had found his voice and expressed an opinion. The Supporters Association had released a statement. There didn’t seem like a whole lot I could say to add to the arguments on both sides. It seemed un-necessary.

But here I am. Thanks to my “friend”, who will remain anonymous, and to a select few others on Facebook who have called me all manner of names in the past day or two, for not toeing the party line on this one, and for daring to speak my mind.

Odd that, isn’t it? It’s always the ones who go on about “free speech” who are the most intolerant of others when they express a dissenting view.

This is going to be a dissenting view. But not in the way some people might think. I am not going to criticise people who are expressing their own opinions, cause we all have the right to do that. What I will say is that there’s a time and place for it, that my arguments are more about strategy than real substance and that what we’re really talking about here is ways and means.

Celtic is in a perilous position. We are not yet “a house divided” but we will be if things continue as they are. We need to heal, and we need to do it quickly, or the divisions are going to set us back years.

Some of our supporters really do need to get a grip on their behaviour. There is an element amongst our fan-base, small in number for sure, that has ceased to recognise that they are ambassadors of a wider family, and not just for themselves.

They have left the club with no choice but to respond.

At the same time, they have left people like me, people with very serious issues to raise about some of the policies of our club – in other words, natural allies – in the uncomfortable position of having to voice my support for some of the people I want booted out the Celtic Park door.

I find myself, therefore, disagreeing with guys I’d ordinarily agree with, on the side of people I self-exile myself from Parkhead because of. It’s the strangest position I’ve ever found myself in as a Celtic supporter, and it’s one I am finding hard to reconcile.

I believe in freedom of speech, for all. Back in the days when I was a political activist, I had real issues with things like the “no platform policy” which saw members of “mainstream” parties refuse to engage in debate with extremists. I believed that it was both cowardly and politically damaging, and gave those people some kind of left-field legitimacy. Better, I always thought, to actually challenge their ignorant opinions and crush them.

Worse than that, the second the policy was established, ostensibly to deny a platform to the BNP, I knew it would be extended, sooner or later, to cover other organisations and it had the potential to become a weapon against any non-mainstream political view, and of course that’s just what did happen, and has been happening ever since.

UEFA’s blanket ban on “political expression” is the natural extension of the no platform policy in action. It was designed, in the beginning, to combat right wing extremists who wanted to use football grounds as recruiting centres. It was brought in to combat fascism and racism from taking a hold on the Beautiful Game.

As with all such regulations, however, there was a sting in the tail. You cannot ban extremism on one end of the scale without banning it on the other. And because racism and fascism can manifest themselves in ways which aren’t always readily apparent, UEFA sought to ban right-wing political expression as a whole. But how, in a democratic society, can you protect people from one type of political expression without, yourself, taking a political stance? Well there was an answer to that too. You ban political expression entirely.

I’ll be honest right now, I understand how this happened, and I understand the dangers inherent in allowing political expression in football stadiums. There you have groups of angry young men, predominantly working class young men, with all that entails. You add the tribalism which goes hand in hand with football, perhaps some alcohol, you scatter reactionary politics into the mix, and what you get is potentially combustible.

Now, I personally disagree with the banning of political expression inside football grounds, or anywhere else. At the same time, I don’t necessarily believe that football stadiums are appropriate places for that kind of thing, but that’s another debate entirely.

What I do respect is the reason why it was done, and the difficult position the governing bodies were, and are, in when it comes to enforcing it.

There is little doubt that the blanket ban is routinely enforced, and that clubs across the continent have paid the penalty, and continue to pay the penalty, for violating it. This is not, as some would have you believe, UEFA picking on Celtic.

Why would they want to? This is not the SFA, with its history of institutional bias, the organisation that has bent every rule to have a club calling itself Rangers playing football again, the one which would have had them in the top division if we had let them away with it.

UEFA were handing us awards not so long ago. They know what the Celtic support is all about. They understand that we’re not like other fans. These people bear us no grudges, or ill will, and the notion that UEFA is “the enemy” is ludicrous, and it’s why a scandalous banner provoking their ire last year was both un-necessary and stupid. Since when did the Celtic support go out actively looking for enemies? Do we not have enough, right here at home?

If you need reminding of who the real enemy is, read some of the gleeful articles from the MSM in the past few weeks, especially the disreputable garbage spilling forth from that washed out hack Keevins, who’s mocking, smug, sarcastic, mentally deranged piece in the aftermath of Wednesday’s Champions League hammering is one of the most loathsome pieces of work ever turned out by a man who has spent a lifetime writing arrant nonsense.

His assertion that a tier three NewCo, hovering on the edge of administration, mired in controversy, and where police investigations continue apace, is hot on our heels because of mismanagement at our club would be hilarious if I didn’t know he really believes this stuff.

Celtic’s fans have built their reputation over decades. It will take more than a clown like Keevins to declare that reputation ruined, but The Green Brigade’s fight with UEFA will have only one winner, and that will be the governing body. Their suicidal stance in front of the guns would look ridiculous even if it were not doing enormous damage to our club.

It also appears to have no purpose, because the notion that banners are going to shame UEFA into a change of stance are ridiculous, and it is infantile too because it suggests that this is a set of supporters which sees the rules as being for other people, and Scotland already has one set of fans who think this way and neither the game, nor Celtic, needs another.

The on-going debate over the Offensive Behaviour bill is another area where I am in agreement with them on the substance, but not in the manner in which they’ve chosen to fight it. I think banners are great for raising awareness, but they’re not designed to win hearts and minds. And the truth is, most of the people we’re trying to convince are already convinced.

The Offensive Behaviour bill has overwhelming public support, and that’s not going to change, especially when the people claiming to be victimised by it are now being accused of wrecking seats at a rival’s football ground. Even if this had been a winnable campaign, the one to have Parliament overturn its own law, that was the moment attitudes hardened and we lost the one weapon that might have made a difference here; the moral ground.

I was in politics. I know how it works. It doesn’t matter what the reality of this matter is, only what people perceive it to be.

Perception is reality in political debate.

With overwhelming public support, this bill will never be overturned by the politicians. There’s simply no cause for it, no political reason why they should, no downside to leaving it in place. Only two things ever changed a politician’s mind; an angry electorate or a financial downside, and I don’t mean necessarily to his or herself. You put money in the political equation and minds can be changed just as quickly as by bad polling numbers.

Money could still swing this. If the CPS squanders enough of it, the Parliamentary Accounts Committee can start screaming blue murder, the press might turn on the issue and then public opinion will follow it. I haven’t given up hope on that happening.

I’ll tell you, though, what I think our best bet is here, and I’ve thought this from the start, when the law was first passed.

The law itself is a joke. It’s an assault on basic freedoms, and it’s disgraceful that it was ever proposed, scandalous that it was ever debated and abhorrent that it was ever passed and turned into a reality. Shame on everyone involved in it.

I also think it goes too far, and edges into a violation of our rights under the ECHR. I think if this is challenged in the European Court they will rule it as a breach of human rights and dismantle it immediately. I can’t see that it’s anything else.

So, I say to the guys who’re fighting this to keep on doing it. But we don’t need to call the Scottish Government hypocrites, and especially now in comparing William Wallace to Bobby Sands, which only turns people off who might otherwise be on our side. Expose this law for the violation of our rights that it is, keep the parliamentary pressure on … but the real fight is through the courts, and that is where we stand the best chance of getting a win.

The Scottish Government, of course, are hypocrites on this issue. We know it.

I’ve heard tell that The Green Brigade’s stance is designed to oppose hypocrisy at UEFA too.

Someone suggested to me the other day that UEFA honouring Mandela is an act of political theatre, and I agree. Under UEFA regulations, a club would have been fined if it’s supporters held up a banner of the statesman whilst he was alive, and that does make UEFA’s decision of the other night look utterly at odds with policy. Yet the governing bodies would doubtless say that if they did allow fans to fly the Mandela flag it would only be a matter of time before the Arkan banners returned to the Stadio Olympico and elsewhere, and they’d have a point.

Simply stated, Mandela deserves the praise, and honour, of the entire world, and if there was going to be an exception made to the rule then this was the guy to make it for. Before he took power, South Africa was a house divided. He could have tipped it into civil war and an eternity of darkness and he chose not to. He was a healer, a man who made things whole.

That our support had such a voice right now, to make us whole again.

I’ve heard Celtic’s board labelled hypocrites for asking the fans to leave politics at the door when we have, and have had, major political figures on the board of directors. This is less easy to support when one considers that, first and foremost, those men were brought to the club to provide their expertise. I look at the chain of command at Celtic Park and I see serious men.

One only has to look across the city to see how different things are for those clubs which can’t attract such people of calibre.

Should we disqualify people with political backgrounds from working at Celtic Park? Our club does not, itself, have a political “ideology”, no matter what some of the more wild theories might suggest. We are, ostensibly, open to all, tolerant, respectful of race, creed and colour, as we’ve always been, and are mindful of any action which suggests otherwise.

Do I agree with everything the board does? Hell no, as numerous articles on this site and others have demonstrated quite clearly.

I think the failure to pay workers the living wage is highly offensive, and an insult to the founding principles of Celtic, and I believe the failure to give Neil Lennon the money we brought in from the sales of Wanyama, Hooper and Wilson was in no small measure responsible for the ignominy we suffered on the pitch during our disastrous Champions League campaign.

In those particular examples, there is a contempt for the wishes of the supporters and an attitude of casual disregard for our history and roots that is, frankly, breathtaking. I also think that as long as we have men like Iain Livingston on the board he should, at the very least, be doing his damned job better so that the PLC does not have to rely on cutting the football squad in order to balance the books. What we have at Celtic Park right now is the tail wagging the dog, and the results of it were all too obvious in Barcelona the other night.

So yes, I think something is far wrong in the Celtic Park boardroom but it’s not that it’s developed a political outlook.

I think Peter Lawwell and others have failed in their basic responsibilities, which are to run the business side of Celtic to support the football one, and that Lawwell, in particular, has instead been allowed to make the football team the cornerstone of funding the business. It’s a perversion of the job he was brought in to do, and I will not set foot in Celtic Park again until he and the “strategy” he presides over are gone.

The truth is, my indictments of that man and his strategy are based on facts, and the evidence of our own eyes when we watch the team dismantled in the manner of this European campaign. They are not based on rumours, supposition, innuendo and conspiracy theories. They are real, and as such they are all the reasons I need to want Lawwell and others removed before this club can begin to move in the right direction again.

This club is on the verge of a monumental division, and it is to the ultimate shame of our so-called leaders that it has come to this. The collapse, liquidation and then death of Rangers, and the way in which we all came together to oppose the NewCo masquerading as the defunct club being given a free ride to the top league granted the Celtic board an opportunity for unifying and growing this club like no other in our history could have dreamed.

They have squandered that sense of unity in under two years, and that is a disgrace and a failure so epic it will never be equalled. Our sense of purpose, of focus, is lost.

With the foot on the enemy’s throat we balked from finishing the job. Campbell Ogilvie remains atop the scandalised SFA, who’s chief executive, Stewart Regan, similarly remains in post following some of the most scandalous scaremongering imaginable.

Those one brave man, Turnbull Hutton, labelled “corrupt” still have their hands on the controls, and it has cost us the one honest to God chance to reform Scottish football we’ve had in front of us since Fergus McCann broke Jim Farry. We could have changed everything and made this game fundamentally clean again, and that chance is gone for the foreseeable future.

Those who are opposed to “the strategy” know that Lawwell has to go. Those who are opposed to the treatment of the fans blame him, and believe he has to go. Those who believe we didn’t do enough to bring down the people who have wrecked the game here know his spot in the SFA enhances the positions of men like Doncaster and Regan, and lends legitimacy to Ogilvie, the very men who propelled us to the edge of darkness.

And for that, he has to go.

It’s hard, at this point, to picture the reasons why someone would want him to stay. It is clear that it’s Peter Lawwell himself who is, easily, the most divisive figure at Celtic Park.

I’ve been asked a million times this week if I believe the bans handed out by the club to our fans, and the decision to disband the Green Brigade, was a proportional response. Almost all realise that the small number of supporters who shamed us with the breaking of the seats have to go. That’s not the question. The question is; was the response too heavy?

I say that we have people at Celtic Park who will want to divert blame onto the fans because our own fans are an easier target than a media comprised of lairs and cowards, and people who despise us. Targeting our own supporters is less difficult than taking on the vested interests who allowed, and perhaps even aided, a decade’s worth of cheating, and it is divides the people who, otherwise, might be focussing all their attention on, and asking serious questions of, a board of directors which has watched as our team has declined in quality at the same time as our balance sheet has never been so healthy.

But the club was right to take action in this case. They are right to defend the reputation of the rest of the support, to take their time to investigate what went on at Fir Park and then to do whatever they feel is necessary in the aftermath.

This does not make me a board supporter or an apologist. I am far from either of those things.

I am pragmatist, and a realist, and this week’s events have put me in a place where a little criticism ain’t no thing at all. When someone on your own side is threatening you because you have an opinion he doesn’t like you quickly come to realise that pleasing everyone is a non-starter and that upsetting people goes with the territory.

I am part of this family, just like you are, and I love it just like you do. And what I want, more than anything else, is to see this family brought together again, and pulling in the same direction again, and fighting not with each other but with the enemies we have right here at home. To focus on the bigger picture instead of on unwinnable battles which bring us no credit.

I love, and cherish, our roots like you do. I believe in the politics and I honour the history that you do. I want what is best for Celtic Football Club just like you do, and I want to see us restored to our rightful place at the pinnacle of European football, just like you do. You are my brothers and sisters, and we are all on the same side of the lines.

I want to see this family united once more, as it needs to be.

I will disagree with you when I think you are wrong, as you are welcome to use the comments section to disagree with me, but, brothers and sisters, don’t waste your time, or mine, questioning my credentials and my affection for this thing, this family, of ours, and do not question each other’s because everything we do is an act of love.

In the end, we have bigger fish to fry. Some inside our club, some outside it, and unlike the wars some of our number want to fight, these are ones we actually can win and must win, and they are the most important things some of us will ever do in our lives.

Our enemies would like nothing more. Are you going to give them exactly what they want?

A house divided will not stand. Think of your brothers and sisters.

You, by your conduct, can help to heal this family. Or you can help to pull it apart.

The choice is yours. God willing, you make the right one.

(James Forrest recently published his first article on Yahoo. You can help On Fields of Green by reading his work there, becoming a “fan” and subscribing to his updates.)

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Comments on A House Divided?

  • Danny

    Well said James I also see the football club being used to fund a business whereas it should be the other way around.

  • brendan teehan

    absolutely brilliant piece that explains how I and no doubtless thousands of celtic fans feel, cap doffed.

  • Gerard Beattie

    Great article

  • Sam McCartney

    Whilst in agreement with some of your points and disagreement with others, I find it despicable that some of our own would threaten you for speaking your mind. A debate can only be a debate when opposing views are freely expressed. Anything other than the freedom to express one’s point of view leads to the very fascism that vast majority of our support abhor.

  • Mark

    Great Article james… Although the divide between the gb and the genuine Celtic supporter will sort its self out. The gb will be a distant memory by the start of next season. Hail hail

  • Arthur McCann

    An excellent article James. I am a lifelong Celtic fan who now lives in Australia. For most of my adult life I have longed to see the SFA be reformed. I have had the great pleasure of seeing this happen to the game in Australia. I have a question for you which I fear might expose my naivety. If this were a perfect world and reformation were to happen who is the person who would be responsible for it? Stewart Regan? Shona Robison? Someone else?

  • shaunbhoy29

    HO what’s that noise is it the sound of you helping to make a massive split in the celtic fan base or are you just looking for a job in the daily record ????

  • http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com James Forrest

    Hahaha nice one. That’s the newspaper I lacerate in every article right? And you’re saying this in reference to the piece I just wrote where, at the end, I called on this family to come together?

    Did you read the piece? Or just the headline?

    This is NOT The Daily Record. In case you missed that.

  • Connor

    Great work

  • M6Bhoy

    Excellent article but I suspect things are not destined to improve simply with the removal or departure of Peter Lawwell. Lawwell undoubtedly bears much responsibility for the divisions with the club and the “team supports the business” strategy but he is only doing his master’s bidding.

    When Lawwell’s “Jock Brown” moment arrives, he will be replaced by someone who may start by making the right noises about unity but first and foremost will be answerable to our Absentee Landlord. I too have decided that my Green Pound will remain firmly in my sky rocket till I see real change at CP and to me that can only start with the the removal of Dermot Desmond as the de-facto owner. Sadly, I fear my last visit to CP for the 3-1 victory over Aberdeen will actually be my last.

  • Jomak

    A great read James, you have highlighted the problems within celtic at a time we should be driving the nais in the hun coffin.
    There is a lot of infighting amongst the Celtic support as you highlight regarding the board and the green brigade.
    I noticed, out of the five arrests on the aftermath of the Motherwell game…no members of the gb have been charged!
    Keep up the good work and put your link on cqn… It maybe quell the unrest over such issues. HH

  • Peter

    An excellent article.

    I was writing this today myself in order to try and put a finger on why the crowds are falling away. I think there are many reasons, but here are mine.

    “There were more empty seats than fans yesterday and unless the club starts investigating why, then there could be very worrying times ahead.

    There could be lots of reasons why people are staying away and every one of them needs to be considered. People need to be open & honest. Burying our heads in the sand will get us nowhere.

    Scottish Football’s handling of the liquidation of Rangers FC. We’ve heard all the arguments, there is nothing more to be said about this. Quite clearly there are rules and then there is Rangers. We know the SFA have just ignored the rulebook to keep alive a club that went bust. Whilst every other club has to abide by the rules it is clear that one club (or Rangers franchise would be more apt) is treated differently. For many, it’s not about not returning to Celtic, but not returning to football. What is happening now makes Farry / Cadette case seem tiny in comparison.

    Quite literally, there is no transparency, there is no sporting integrity, there is no sport. If you accept the status quo then you accept that there is very little point in participating in a so-called “sport” that is rigged. If we don’t have a system where every club is treated equally, without fear or favour, what’s the point?

    You can also include the Rangers / dual contracts whitewash as well. A club was fined £250,000 although it will never be paid as it went into liquidation. However the point is, to receive such a fine it would have to be guilty of wrongdoing which it clearly was.

    That club won titles when it had players on the park that should’ve have been there. Only by the intervention of Sandy Bryson to create a technicality so laughable, did the club manage to avoid being stripped of titles.

    Like an Olympic athlete being allowed to keep their gold medal despite failing a drugs test.

    Celtic fans paid good money to support their team through this era yet despite the evidence, our club failed to defend our own fans that were cheated.

    Again I say – if one club is allowed to break the rules and get away with it I am asking; what is the point?

    You can also include Rangers euro licence sham. The evidence was clear – if you owe money to the tax authorities you don’t get a licence. The SFA fixed that one saying that the money owed was being disputed but it was not. The penalties were being disputed, not the actual money owed itself.

    If we have a governing body that breaks the rules, again I ask – what is the point?

    Now if you are reading this you’re probably thinking “Oh no … not this again, sick of hearing it ….” etc. etc. and I would totally agree with you.

    The problem is – these issues have never been resolved and until we have a system in place where we can trust people running football then these issues will never go away.

    We can trot along on a Saturday and go through the motions – but at the back of your mind you know that Scottish football is corrupt and the club we profess to love is either part of this corruption or it is just too scared / weak to tackle it.

    If we accept rule breaking for one club, if we are afraid to tackle it, we accept second class status now & forever. This is possibly the straw the broke the camel’s back for many Celtic fans.

    Whether you are sick hearing about these issues or not, whatever you do, don’t pretend they aren’t relevant. These issues might not be relevant to all the missing supporters, but they might be for some / many / most.

    Brother Walfrid founded the club at a time when discrimination against Catholics / Irish was far far worse than it is today. He stood up to that to protect our own. He didn’t cower away.

    Bob Kelly, when being told to remove the Irish flag from Celtic Park refused to do so. He stood up for the club. He didn’t cower away.

    Fergus McCann refused to accept SFA cheating with regards to the Jorge Cadette registration. He stood up for the club. He didn’t cower away.

    Where is the Walfrid / Kelly / McCann of today?

    Celtic Football Club would far quicker demonise our own fans for their choice of banner / songs but meekly accept our place when it comes to challenging the football authorities for blatant cheating.

    Me? I’ll never accept second place / second class status – and if the club is determined to accept this then it’s a parting of the ways because I refuse to be part of a system that is scared to stand up for what is right.”

  • http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com James Forrest

    Peter, absolutely wonderful mate. Thank you for sharing that.

  • Mo

    Great read JF. Well reasoned and constructive. As someone who cried his first tears for The Bhoys in 1963 and who spent many a happy European night in The Jungle with my Dad, I have a couple of observations.

    The moment football clubs opened the ‘PLC door’ they moved into the corporate arena and with that goes investor responsibilities. Like it or not, when you look at the Accounts of the PLC, the FC is the main contributor to the PLC and therefore it is beholding to the Officials of the PLC and the FC to ensure that everything is squeaky clean or to put it another way, bad press, e.g. fines, does the FC and therefore the PLC no good. Folks may find this unacceptable but that’s what comes when a private club goes public. Running along side is the attitude of advertisers/sponsors, e.g. Nike. Unless you are their main Client – Tiger Woods – do they want to see a Club with which they have an association receive ever increasing fines…and they will increase the more UEFA/SPFL feel we have treaded over the line, e.g. playing behind locked doors? I don’t think Sponsors want this. So sadly you cannot ignore the importance of the FC in the business of Celtic PLC.

    The other aspect is, so we get rid of PL/The Board. What happens if we get Joe Bloggs and a Board who happens to be an exact copy of the current. Do we get rid of them and keep going until we have a group that satisfies everyone? That scenario will never happen because you cannot satisfy all of the people all of the time.

    My feeling is that PL, The Board and NL have taken a ‘corporate decision’ in the hope/belief that before long it will all quieten down. The picture will become clearer next season when we have the sale of new season tickets. That will be the first time when folks will vote with their pockets. Until then The Club and therefore the PLC have pocketed money from 40,000 season tickets and the CL Group stage, so, financially don’t have anything to worry about until next year.

    As I indicated at the beginning, absorbing read, and one that I can agree with in so many ways.

  • shaunbhoy29

    You call the celtic family to come together as long as they agree with you in attacking the board plus if a celtic fan has threatened you this is wrong but it is also wrong that you feel the need to tell the world about what went on between you and an other fan when it is a matter between you and the fan and the police if need be. It is well known that the SMSM hacks lurk on celtic fan sites for ammunition for there next attack on celtic fc i can see the headline in tom papers CELTIC FANS SEND THREATS TO EACH OTHER AS BATTLE AGAINST THE BORED CONTINUES .well done in giving the msm ammunition to attack us with plus is PL not a celtic fan to or dos he not count ???

  • http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com James Forrest

    Shaunbhoy, if you think that piece was deliberately divisive, then I’m not going to make any effort to disuade you from that notion.

    You carry on with it. That’s the beautiful part of this. We’re all entitled to our own views.

  • shaunbhoy29

    james you say i am not going to make any effort to disuade you from that notion
    so what happened to i love to debate ???

  • Lawwell Lies

    Good article James, Lawwell & his cronies have been found out over their silence at the corruption & cheating of the SFA/RFC.

    The disgusting attack towards our fans for expressing & celebrating our Irish history for over the last 2 years by the SNP/police/stewards, aided & abetted by Lawwell inside Celtic Park is a step too far.

    Also these ‘illicit’ charges that all started after a Strathclyde police match commander(never been heard of in the history of Scottish football) decided to report the Celtic fans to the UEFA observer. A move that was way above his remit at the match.

    Was this payback after the same police force had reported to the SFA & failed to get the Celtic fans on a sectarian charge for singing songs of our Irish History about a month before the UEFA charge.

    The reason we are saying Lawwell has got a lot to do with all this is because he was found out after a meeting that took place inside Celtic park & his agenda was fully exposed against the G

  • http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com James Forrest

    shaunbhoy, you are not interested in debate. You’ve accussed me of lending our enemies ammunition.

    I’m not willing to discuss this with someone who believes crap like that.

  • Lawwell Lies

    ……Green Brigade.

    The Celtic fans need to made fully aware of this stance that has been made against us.

    All of this stuff really kicked in after the so called ‘shame game’ (McCoist v Lennon) spat, then the summit was called & the creation of the ridiculous FoCus unit, trying to criminalise fans for singing.

    We need to be pro-active against this OB Act.

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